If you don’t yet learn Gemara daily, how is it even a question????

A yid that doesn’t learn gemara?

What would the rebbe say???

Obviously is lacking a basic understanding and feel of connection “hiskashrus” to the Rebbe ..

The tochen of the sicha in 5748 is that we don’t need to feel disheartened from this that we don’t learn daf yomi, because we didn’t see this by our Rebbe.

והדברים פשוטים

והוי’ הטוב יכפר בעד פשוטי עמו

Very simply, you don’t understand that the shlila of “not seen by the shver” is the greatest negation possible

Chassidus Chabad doesn’t need to compete with anyone else. They can have excellent Gemara programs, which we can even use ourselves, and yet Chassidus and the Rebbe is beyond that.

In short: If you stand higher, you don’t need to put others down.

With the reason of the omission being quite obvious to anyone familiar with the history of Agudas Yisroel and the attitudes of the Rebbe Rashab and (therefore (?)) the Frierdiker Rebbe towards them.
One may even go so far to say that such an idea (of going to the Frierdiker Rebbe for a Haskamah on Daf Yomi) would be of as much use as going to the MInchas Elazar as well.

Correct, “איך האב ניט געזען ביים שווער” means that it’s not an Inyan of Raboseinu Nesieinu, which is why the Rebbe wasn’t going to give a letter of ishur, cuz that would mean that it’s something that Chabad does.

But there’s a difference between “not an Inyan” and davka farkert, the Rebbe never said that the Frierdiker Rebbe was against it, only that it’s not our thing specifically. The Rebbe didn’t tell Reb Peretz to stop the Shiur, only that he can’t come out specifically in support. Daf Yomi is not a Chabad inyan, but Chabad (maybe) is not anti Daf Yomi, (even if yes, this story is no proof).

I don’t understand why this Chiluk is so hard for people to understand.

So you would rather believe an unverified version rather than what Berel Mockin himself said he heard from his father? very selective indeed.

איך האב עס ניט געזעהן באם שווער. Plain and simple, that’s why we don’t learn daf yomi, its just not a inyan of רבותינו נשיאינו. we don’t go looking by other circles, for sidrei limmud.

שכאשר דרכו של ה”רבי” שלך היא באופן כך וכך – בודאי אין לך מה לחפש בשדות אחרים, לכל לראש יש לשמור על “כרמי שלי”!

אצל יהודי לא קיים ענין של “שיתוף”, ובלשון חז”ל: “אנו אין לנו אלא ה’ אחד כו’ וכהן גדול אחד”!

Daf yomi is very nice inyan, נהרא נהרא ופשטיה, but its not our inyan.

after just a quick glance,it is indeed very telling what is in the footnotes and what made it to the “pnim”.

My dear friend:
I brought it in footnote 11.

Oh and please explain from where is it “very clear” that the Rebbe was against it, I’d love to see it if it exists.

to the best of my knowledge the imrei emes was the, or from the, leaders of agudas yisroel. they are practically one and the same.

One important missing detail. When agudas yisroel went to gedoilim asking for haskomos they did not include the frierdiker rebbe so……

Yerushalmi Yomi only began in 5740. So you’re basically saying that until then the Siyumim takeh didn’t match up with the Daf, but maybe afterwards they did. Ok. Here’s the results on that:

First, we’ll use the ones I posted earlier:
10 Shevat 5741 – Siyum on Temurah, there is no Yerushalmi on Temurah.
11 Nissan 5744 – Siyum on Taanis, the Daf Yerushalmi was in Horiyos.
11 Nissan 5745 – Siyum on Taanis and Moed Katan, the Daf Yerushalmi was in Maaser Sheini.

But let’s do more:
6 Tishrei 5742 – Siyum on Yoma (Yerushalmi!), the Daf Yerushalmi was in Pesachim.
19 Kislev 5742 – Siyum on Brachos (Bavli and Yerushalmi), the Daf Yerushalmi was in Yoma.
10 Shevat 5742 – Siyum on Shabbos, the Daf Yerushalmi was in Sukkah
20 Av 5742 – Siyum on Chagigah Bavli and Moed Katan Yerushalmi, the Daf Yerushalmi was in Yevamos.
6 Tishrei 5743 – Siyum on Rosh Hashana (Bavli and Yerushalmi), the Daf Yerushalmi was in Kesubos.
10 Shevat 5743 – Siyum on Eiruvin (Bavli and Yerushalmi), the Daf Yerushalmi was in Nedarim.
11 Nissan 5743 – Siyum on Megillah, the Daf Yerushalmi was in Nazir.

I could do more, but now we again have ten with no matches.

What is clear, and perhaps THIS (and only this) was R’ Meilach’s intention, was that after Yerushalmi Yomi started, one can see that the Rebbe included the Yerushalmi many times in his Siyumim. But not that they matched the cycles.

I disagree. One does not take away from another. Maybe he doesn’t do torah or/lekutai torah because he doesn’t understand the language. Maybe chassidus is, in general, difficult for him to learn. If someone has a geshmak in something, it should not be taken away.
I had a friend who saw me learning gemara before davenning and he went crazy. “How can you learn nigla before davenning?!?!” I said “Shmuly, you don’t even learn chassidus before davenning” He said “it’s better to learn nothing than to learn nigla!”…
My point is, people need to stop criticizing how/what other people learn. Halevai we should learn gemara evey day.

Thank you for doing this research. Someone suggested that this was only in the later years after the Rebbe started following the Yerushalaymi Yomi that was started by the Gerer Rebbe. I have not verified this.

Because there are so many things that the rabeim said to do to learn. Does a person who spends a half hour or hour a day learning daf yoimi do all those things too?

Daily:
Chassidus every morning before davening.
Perek Tanya before shachris.
Chitas.
Rambam – 3 prokim.
Kvius in the Rebbe’s Torah every day

Weekly:
The entire Torah Or/Lekutei Torah every week (lots of time throughout the week).

Annually:
1 mesechta a year – Chalukas hashas on yud tes Kislev
Mesechta Soita

In addition:
Taking part in Mivtzoim and doing all the things the rebbe wanted chassidim to do

Do we learn all that?

As a Chabad chossid thats what you should be doing before considering other things

That’s because historically certain circles started making a much bigger deal about daf yomi, including large siyumim, as a way of theirs to respond to rambam and its large siyumim in the beginning, as part of their fight against the rebbe.

This is inaccurate. I just checked 10 siyumim at random and none of them matched the Daf Yomi.

20 Av 5719 – Siyum on Gittin, the Daf was in Chullin
10 Shevat 5725 – Siyum on Makkos, the Daf was in Bava Metzia
6 Tishrei 5728 – Siyum on Sukkah, the Daf was in Krisos
6 Tishrei 5731 – Siyum on Yoma, the Daf was in Kesubos
20 Av 5731 – Siyum on Chagigah, the Daf was in Gittin
11 Nissan 5733 – Siyum on Kesubos, the Daf was in Sanhedrin
6 Tishrei 5735 – Siyum on Sukkah, the Daf was in Chullin
10 Shevat 5741 – Siyum on Temurah, the Daf was in Avodah Zarah
11 Nissan 5744 – Siyum on Taanis, the Daf was in Yoma
20 Av 5745 – Siyum on Taanis and Moed Katan, the Daf was in Kesubos

Interesting that on 20 Av 5724 – Siyum on Bava Kama, the Daf was in Bava Kama 34

He was a Chossid of R’ Yisroel of Chortkov, a famous Rebbe who was from the Ruzhiner dynasty. Reb Yisroel told R’ Meir Shapiro that he wants to institute a cycle of learning one page of Gemara each day, and he wants Rav Meir to be the the one to officially institute it because he commanded great respect with both Chasidim and Misnagdim alike.

As well, it is worthy to mention that Agudas Yisroel were not the ones who started Daf Yomi, and it wasn’t their idea. They picked it up and pushed for it when they were able to, but they weren’t powerful enough to get everyone to do it. In fact, when the cycle was set to begin, no one knew if it would get off the ground in a serious way and be widely accepted, or if only a few people would be interested. Thanks to the Gerrer Rebbe (the Imrei Emes), it was indeed accepted on a large scale. What happened was that the cycle was set to begin on the first day of Rosh Hashana. When the Imrei Emes was in front of all his Chasidim on Rosh Hashana (I think it was at shul on the first night, I might be wrong), he very publicly and very conspicuously asked if someone could bring him a Gemara Brachos, and everyone understood that he was publicly supporting and encouraging the initiative of Daf Yomi, his “Haskama” helped get people to start doing it.
So if someone doesn’t want to learn Daf Yomi solely because it has do do with Agudas Yisroel, have no fear. They didn’t have the power to institute it and propogate it properly, rather it was 3 Chasidim – Rav Meir Shapiro, Reb Yisroel of Chortkov, and the Imrei Emes.

“ולפלא: למרות שמחזיק את עצמו ל”מקושר” ו”חסיד”, ועכ”פ בודאי יש אצלו הענין ד”מורא רבך כמורא שמים”,

– וראי’ לדבר, שכאשר קורה דבר מסויים, הרי הוא לומד פירושים ורמזים מענין פלוני ופלוני כו’, גם מענינים שאין להם כל קשר ושייכות, ובלשון העולם: “באבע מעשיות”, היפך ציווי התורה “תמים תהי’ עם ה’ אלקיך”, וזאת אפילו כאשר מדובר אודות ענינים שיש מקום להתפעל מהם, כמו “אותות השמים”, ש”יחתו הגוים מהמה” (משא”כ בנ”י – “מאותות השמים אל תחתו”), ועאכו”כ ענינים של מה בכך כו’
מ”מ צריכים לעוררו שלא יאמץ לעצמו ענינים שמבחוץ – לא ענינים שמחוץ לגבול הקדושה ח”ו, אמנם, עניני קדושה, דרך מסויימת בעבודת ה’, אבל אעפ”כ, אין זה “כרמי שלי” [כלשון הכתוב: “כרמי שלי לא נטרתי”] – מה יש לך לחפש בשדות אחרים?!

טענתו היא – שמכיון ששמע שפלוני עושה כך וכך, הרי זה בודאי בהשגחה פרטית, ולכן הרי זה נוגע אליו כו’. – אמנם כן הוא, דבר זה הוא בודאי בהשגחה פרטית, אבל הכוונה בזה היא – שישלול דבר זה, שכן, למרות שזוהי דרך ושיטה בעבודת ה’, מ”מ, אין זה שייך ל”כרמי שלי”!

“מעשה רב” בגמרא בנוגע לדיני הדס – “רב אחא ברי’ דרבא מהדר אתרי וחד (אע”ג דתלתא בחד קינא כל שכן דכשר) הואיל ונפיק מפומי’ דרב כהנא”, שס”ל “אפילו תרי וחד” גם כשר.

והגע עצמך:

למרות שרב כהנא לא אמר שיש להדר ב”תרי וחד”, כי אם שגם “תרי וחד” כשר, למרות היותו “הדס שוטה”, ובודאי ס”ל ש”תלתא בחד קינא” כ”ש דכשר – מ”מ “הואיל ונפיק מפומי’ דרב כהנא” – רבו – ש”חד ותרי” גם כשר, לכן, הידר לקחת “תרי וחד”. וכאמור – ענין זה נכתב בגמרא, בתור הוראה ד”מעשה רב”.

ומזה מובן במכ”ש וק”ו שכאשר דרכו של ה”רבי” שלך היא באופן כך וכך – בודאי אין לך מה לחפש בשדות אחרים, לכל לראש יש לשמור על “כרמי שלי”!

אצל יהודי לא קיים ענין של “שיתוף”, ובלשון חז”ל: “אנו אין לנו אלא ה’ אחד כו’ וכהן גדול אחד”!

Its the mere fact of is this a inyan of רבותינו נשיאינו our not.

Well, let’s see. There are lots of things that the Rebbeim were passionate about chassidim _not_ doing, for example reading the news. If you’re going to find excuses for doing that, don’t make it your “shpitz Chabad” to not learn Daf Yomi.

There are many things the Rebbe spoke and put into writing that the Rebbe was very passionate about i.e. Chitas, Rambam, etc etc so I am not sure why there are some trying to split hairs trying to come up (justify?) with an excuse to learn “the daf”….