Comments on: There Is a Missing Link In Our Chinuch System

By: You missed the point

You missed the point — Mon, 20 Mar 2023 19:01:38 +0000

In reply to Exactly.

Of course, we need modified programs for such students like Beit Sefer Limelacha which the Rebbe established. But that wasn’t called “Tomchei Temimim.” Tomchei Temimim must retain its format set by our Rebbeim.

Here are the Rebbe’s words in אגרות קודש חלק ה ע’ פד

כשבקרני הרה”ג והרה”ח וו”ח אי”א נו”מ משכיל על דבר טוב איש אשכולות בעל מדות תרומיות עוסק בצ”צ וכו’ הרב אלי’ שי’ המכונה דר. יאנג, הודיע לי כי בתכנית הדזוינט נכנסת תמיכה לבתי ספר למלאכה המתנהלים על ידי ישיבות באה”ק ת”ו ומהוים חלק מהן.

והוסיף, אשר דבר עמכם אודות ענין זה- היינו שישיבת לוד תפתח מחלקה ללמוד אומנות ומלאכה – וענו לו אשר ישאלו בזה את חוות דעתי.

ובמענה על שאלה זו:

נמנע הוא לשנות סדר ישיבות תומכי תמימים, באיזה מקום שיהיו, מהאופן והתכנית אשר התוו מיסדי’ ומנהלי’ הם כ”ק אדמו”ר (מהרש”ב) וכ”ק מו”ח אדמו”ר – זצוקללה”ה נבג”מ זי”ע. ומכיון שכך, הרי אי אפשר לכלול בעצם הישיבה גופא שיעורים ללימוד אומנות ומלאכה. אבל לאידך גיסא, באשר ישנם כמה אברכים ובחורים, אשר אי אפשר, מפני כמה סיבות, להכניסם ולהמשיכם ללימוד בישיבה כל היום כולו, אבל ילמדו איזה שעות ביום נגלה וחסידות, בתנאי אשר ילמדום ג”כ אומנות ומלאכה, הנה נכון במאד. להשתדל בהנ”ל שיהיו תחת השגחתם והשפעתם התמידית וזה הרי אפשר הוא על ידי יסוד מוסד מיוחד ללימוד תורת הנגלה והחסידות וגם כן אומנות ומלאכה, שיעמוד תחת חסותה של הישיבה, והשגחתה והנהלתה. ובטח אשר מוסד שכזה הי’ מביא תועלת מרובה לכמה בחורים ואברכים. וכפי השיחה עם הרב יאנג שי’, הנה שאלת ההוצאות שבזה – ישתדל בכל יכלתו, אשר תהא נפתרת על ידי הדזוינט.

By: Exactly

Exactly — Mon, 20 Mar 2023 04:05:22 +0000

In reply to Eliyahu.

Prove this please.
Find me one sicha or one ha’arah — anything — where the Rebbe said that a bochur with yiras shomayim who is capable of learning (just not the most rigid schedule) doesn’t belong in Tomchei Temimim.
It’s amazing how people could say things that sound so holy and actually have no source in the Rebbe’s teachings.

By: A derher!

A derher! — Mon, 20 Mar 2023 03:28:22 +0000

This is a comment directed to the many mechanchim that will come across Rabbi Avtzon’s article, as well as anyone else who will read this who wants to get involved.
LIsten: Whoever is going to follow through with this idea is doing HATZOLAS NEFOSHOS MAMOSH. And YOU KNOW IT!
It’s self explanatory what kind of danger the above mentioned category of bochurim are in R”L. Ruchniusdike danger CH”V.
And it’s in YOUR hands to save them. You have the OPPORTUNITY to do it!
I have no doubt that you will have a lot of support and enough people coming to your yeshiva, and that you will be looked upon very highly in the eyes of Hashem and fellow yidden for doing this.
And, as mentioned by Rabbi Avtzon, think of the nachas the Rebbe will shep from these bochurim who will IYH go on to establish beautiful chassidishe homes and, maybe even prior to that, also end up joining a more intensive seder yeshiva (after having been a few years in a more slow paced setting), especially by averting the above mentioned dangers, and all IN YOUR ZECHUS!
After all is said and done, bochurim don’t stay in yeshiva for life, but they will carry with them their yeshiva experiences into their future home.
You are literally building chassidishe homes that wouldn’t otherwise exist! It’s in YOUR hands!

By: Thank you

Thank you — Sun, 19 Mar 2023 21:15:26 +0000

Yes please let me know where I can sign up my son.
Chessed is a very important part of education besides helping others, organized and supervised activities whereby bocherim would help out older seniors or children with special needs or public school children would give a major boost of self esteem to those who find it difficult to learn full time.

By: cincinnati could have been this yeshiva

cincinnati could have been this yeshiva — Sun, 19 Mar 2023 18:54:57 +0000

they began catering to only top bochurim. Maybe start accepting some middle tier bochurim, thus helping with the problem you addressed, as well as sharing the better bochurim with other yeshivos, helping to raise the yiras shomayim level in the middle
yeshivos.

By: Love the article

Love the article — Sun, 19 Mar 2023 16:20:15 +0000

In Ohelei Torah zal there was a time (maybe it’s still active) that Rabbi Shmuel Chaim Bluming gave an easier Shiur in Gemara and Shulchan Aruch

By: Love the article

Love the article — Sun, 19 Mar 2023 16:17:04 +0000

In reply to Eliyahu. Didn’t the Rebbe addres this issue?! Wasn’t there a horah about teaching weaker bochurim how to make batim?

By: Eliyahu

Eliyahu — Sun, 19 Mar 2023 12:53:02 +0000

In reply to Please don’t make energy & creative kochos into a problem..

Tomchei Tmimim has a seder that was instituted by the Rabeiyim, it did not include art and music etc.
A 18 year old bochur who isn’t learning from 7 – 10, will not grow up to be a big talmid chochom, this is obvious to anyone who has any knowledge in the field.
This doesn’t negate Rabbi Avtzon’s point.

By: yes!!

yes!! — Sun, 19 Mar 2023 11:02:08 +0000

As a parent of a bochur who would have benefitted from a yeshiva like this, thank you for bringing up this painful reality.
I really hope something practical comes of this.

Why can’t this need be addressed in mainstream yeshivas? Tuning into the needs of these bochurim in an infrastructure that already exists? In a way that doesn’t make them inferior to hardcore learners?

By: Please don't make energy & creative kochos into a problem.

Please don't make energy & creative kochos into a problem. — Sun, 19 Mar 2023 04:54:52 +0000

Any person who has a lot of energy and especially if he is creative and talented, will have a hard time sitting and doing straightforward learning & davening from 7 AM until 9 PM. (Yes, that’s the typical “good yeshiva” schedule, with a few breaks where more learning is encouraged.) I am pretty sure that more than 25% of our “good” boys fall into this category! (I hope it’s more like 50 or 75%.) This is not a challenge that needs a brand new Yeshiva, but every Yeshiva needs to address this. It is actually not too hard. Exercise could be normalized and encouraged. Art, music, writing, or other creative expressions could be harnessed to support the regular learning. This wouldn’t decrease the standard of learning in the Yeshiva; on the contrary, it would INCREASE and upgrade the chayus, and chassidishe geshmak for the whole Yeshiva. Please don’t make creative and energetic boys seem like a problem to a mainstream Yeshiva. They are any Yeshiva’s greatest asset, if the Yeshiva could learn how to harness their extra strengths for the benefit of the entire Yeshiva. As mechanech, this is a gift that you (and every other mechanech) could give to the Rebbe, starting today. It doesn’t cost money. It doesnt even cost time. It only costs openness and willingness to start seeing kochos and personalities as strengths that can be harnessed for grater chassidishkeit, and not as obstacles, rachmona litzlan.

By: Didn't explain

Didn't explain — Sun, 19 Mar 2023 04:19:30 +0000

Why a dual track in an existing yeshiva isn’t a good idea?
Also he didn’t explore any solutions to the three major issues he brings up.
Is there something like this in E.Y.? R. Axselrods yeshiva?
Is there a precedent in Chabad for such an institution?
Is there examples where this has worked in other circles?

By: Involved in chinuch

Involved in chinuch — Sun, 19 Mar 2023 03:13:54 +0000

Although I am not sure regarding some of the protim you wrote, however regarding the general point, I agree a thousand percent!
This is so important and relevant to so many bochurim. (I would think perhaps even more than 25 percent).
Yasher koach for bringing this up. I hope something comes out of this