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		By: A teacher of a couple of years		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[A teacher of a couple of years]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Mar 2023 20:07:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[BSD

I appluad the letter writter for the article as this issue is a community issue not directed at our hard working adminastrations.

look at school campaines and ask yourself how far can that money go for the Mossod, when schools work so hard to fundraise people simply turn the other way.

As a teacher these bonuses are extremly appriciated on one hand and embaressing on the other, not to mention that a five hundred dollar bonus dosen&#039;t take you too far.

As a community we need to wake up and start supporting our Mosdos with an open arm, and then we can expect good return.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BSD</p>
<p>I appluad the letter writter for the article as this issue is a community issue not directed at our hard working adminastrations.</p>
<p>look at school campaines and ask yourself how far can that money go for the Mossod, when schools work so hard to fundraise people simply turn the other way.</p>
<p>As a teacher these bonuses are extremly appriciated on one hand and embaressing on the other, not to mention that a five hundred dollar bonus dosen&#8217;t take you too far.</p>
<p>As a community we need to wake up and start supporting our Mosdos with an open arm, and then we can expect good return.</p>
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		By: Just wondering		</title>
		<link>https://anash.org/pesach-bonuses-are-nice-but-theyre-still-demeaning/#comment-20701</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Just wondering]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Mar 2023 15:25:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://anash.org/pesach-bonuses-are-nice-but-theyre-still-demeaning/#comment-20700&quot;&gt;Teaching four years&lt;/a&gt;.

Why in ALL Chassidishe Chadorim, the Melamdim don&#039;t get a 2 month summer break, only 2 weeks?
Also, I don&#039;t know in which Cheder you teach, but in most of our Chadorim, which teach Limudei Chol, the Melamdim finish their job at 2 latest, verses Chassidishe Chadorim where Limudei Kodesh goes till 4...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://anash.org/pesach-bonuses-are-nice-but-theyre-still-demeaning/#comment-20700">Teaching four years</a>.</p>
<p>Why in ALL Chassidishe Chadorim, the Melamdim don&#8217;t get a 2 month summer break, only 2 weeks?<br />
Also, I don&#8217;t know in which Cheder you teach, but in most of our Chadorim, which teach Limudei Chol, the Melamdim finish their job at 2 latest, verses Chassidishe Chadorim where Limudei Kodesh goes till 4&#8230;</p>
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		By: Teaching four years		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Teaching four years]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Mar 2023 14:32:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://anash.org/pesach-bonuses-are-nice-but-theyre-still-demeaning/#comment-20685&quot;&gt;Dis/agree&lt;/a&gt;.

For those who think that a teacher is off during the summer you are terribly mistaken. That is the time when teachers take to prepare their classes and improve their lessons. 

Don&#039;t forget all the unpaid hours of preparation during the year. Then there&#039;s the unpaid hours of marking tests, progress reports, report cards, and talking to parents.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://anash.org/pesach-bonuses-are-nice-but-theyre-still-demeaning/#comment-20685">Dis/agree</a>.</p>
<p>For those who think that a teacher is off during the summer you are terribly mistaken. That is the time when teachers take to prepare their classes and improve their lessons. </p>
<p>Don&#8217;t forget all the unpaid hours of preparation during the year. Then there&#8217;s the unpaid hours of marking tests, progress reports, report cards, and talking to parents.</p>
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		By: As someone who gives out bonuses		</title>
		<link>https://anash.org/pesach-bonuses-are-nice-but-theyre-still-demeaning/#comment-20699</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[As someone who gives out bonuses]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Mar 2023 13:33:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[As someone who gives our bonuses to &#062;&#062;&#062;&#062;&#062;

The smile on their faces are the satisfaction of knowing people care and people pop up to show their appreciation. Such as Reb S B Drizin SHLITA who gives to all the public Kolel&#039;s  in NYC a bonus for years and years. The Kolel Yungerleit love the thought that people think of them !!!! It is help for their families before Pesach and a great show of appreciation for Lomdei Torah.

Keep the Bonuses rolling !!!!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As someone who gives our bonuses to &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;</p>
<p>The smile on their faces are the satisfaction of knowing people care and people pop up to show their appreciation. Such as Reb S B Drizin SHLITA who gives to all the public Kolel&#8217;s  in NYC a bonus for years and years. The Kolel Yungerleit love the thought that people think of them !!!! It is help for their families before Pesach and a great show of appreciation for Lomdei Torah.</p>
<p>Keep the Bonuses rolling !!!!</p>
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		By: Many others		</title>
		<link>https://anash.org/pesach-bonuses-are-nice-but-theyre-still-demeaning/#comment-20698</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Many others]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Mar 2023 12:01:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Their are many other employees who work longer hours &#038; are under paid even more then the Rebbis that are also making pesach on their own that work in the same Yeshivas &#038; don&#039;t receive a penny of help for pesach, I find that disturbing.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Their are many other employees who work longer hours &amp; are under paid even more then the Rebbis that are also making pesach on their own that work in the same Yeshivas &amp; don&#8217;t receive a penny of help for pesach, I find that disturbing.</p>
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		By: A Different Moised		</title>
		<link>https://anash.org/pesach-bonuses-are-nice-but-theyre-still-demeaning/#comment-20696</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[A Different Moised]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Mar 2023 11:02:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It is not only teachers. I work for a different moised and used to get a small bonus for Pesach. For some reason this year there is no mention of it. Anyone working for a moised or yeshiva definitely deserves a nice bonus for Yom Tov especially these days when the price of everything has skyrocketed.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is not only teachers. I work for a different moised and used to get a small bonus for Pesach. For some reason this year there is no mention of it. Anyone working for a moised or yeshiva definitely deserves a nice bonus for Yom Tov especially these days when the price of everything has skyrocketed.</p>
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		By: Summer off		</title>
		<link>https://anash.org/pesach-bonuses-are-nice-but-theyre-still-demeaning/#comment-20688</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Summer off]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Mar 2023 05:11:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://anash.org/pesach-bonuses-are-nice-but-theyre-still-demeaning/#comment-20685&quot;&gt;Dis/agree&lt;/a&gt;.

I don’t like the taste of any such letters in general as nothing good comes out of it. 
But about the summer not working. We don’t get sundays off amd never have time to catch our breath. And when we finally have the “summer off” we still need to find a job to pay our bills in the summer. 
Not even if a teacher chooses to not work in the summer. Go calculate all your sundays and holidays and you will see they pretty much add up to our time off! Wishing you much Hatzlacha. And let’s all just focus on our own shlichus and not worry about talking about other people and hanging our dirty laundry in public.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://anash.org/pesach-bonuses-are-nice-but-theyre-still-demeaning/#comment-20685">Dis/agree</a>.</p>
<p>I don’t like the taste of any such letters in general as nothing good comes out of it.<br />
But about the summer not working. We don’t get sundays off amd never have time to catch our breath. And when we finally have the “summer off” we still need to find a job to pay our bills in the summer.<br />
Not even if a teacher chooses to not work in the summer. Go calculate all your sundays and holidays and you will see they pretty much add up to our time off! Wishing you much Hatzlacha. And let’s all just focus on our own shlichus and not worry about talking about other people and hanging our dirty laundry in public.</p>
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		By: Out of touch		</title>
		<link>https://anash.org/pesach-bonuses-are-nice-but-theyre-still-demeaning/#comment-20687</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Out of touch]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Mar 2023 04:38:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://anash.org/pesach-bonuses-are-nice-but-theyre-still-demeaning/#comment-20685&quot;&gt;Dis/agree&lt;/a&gt;.

You are clearly not in touch with how teachers are doing.

You mention professionals bringing home 195,000-245,000. Which teacher brings home anything close to that? A typical Crown Heights teacher is paid under 100k. 

You write that they are getting bonuses for Chanuka, Purim and Pesach. I invite you to ask a rebbi you know how much that money amounts to...

Finally, you write &quot;Boruch hashem they all seem to be making it work.&quot; What does making it work mean? If they have to live with much less, rely on favors and handouts, work extra jobs and spend less time with their families - is that considered workable? Some may have well to do parents who help them, but many are struggling (which is why these bonuses are so much needed). 

I don&#039;t think the writer meant to knock the bonuses, but to bring attention to the sorry state of rebbis and their families who must struggle. The school administration may be doing a lot, but a solution must be found before we face a serious crisis.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://anash.org/pesach-bonuses-are-nice-but-theyre-still-demeaning/#comment-20685">Dis/agree</a>.</p>
<p>You are clearly not in touch with how teachers are doing.</p>
<p>You mention professionals bringing home 195,000-245,000. Which teacher brings home anything close to that? A typical Crown Heights teacher is paid under 100k. </p>
<p>You write that they are getting bonuses for Chanuka, Purim and Pesach. I invite you to ask a rebbi you know how much that money amounts to&#8230;</p>
<p>Finally, you write &#8220;Boruch hashem they all seem to be making it work.&#8221; What does making it work mean? If they have to live with much less, rely on favors and handouts, work extra jobs and spend less time with their families &#8211; is that considered workable? Some may have well to do parents who help them, but many are struggling (which is why these bonuses are so much needed). </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think the writer meant to knock the bonuses, but to bring attention to the sorry state of rebbis and their families who must struggle. The school administration may be doing a lot, but a solution must be found before we face a serious crisis.</p>
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		By: Sugestion		</title>
		<link>https://anash.org/pesach-bonuses-are-nice-but-theyre-still-demeaning/#comment-20686</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sugestion]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Mar 2023 04:24:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://anash.org/pesach-bonuses-are-nice-but-theyre-still-demeaning/#comment-20682&quot;&gt;By a current teacher&lt;/a&gt;.

Perhaps a system should be set up independent of school salaries where people can donate to teachers in honor or memory of someone. Where people get credit for upping the standard of a class, have a hakdasha, even could be where part is for a class fund to cover prizes mivtzahs etc, stuff teachers end up covering often anyway.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://anash.org/pesach-bonuses-are-nice-but-theyre-still-demeaning/#comment-20682">By a current teacher</a>.</p>
<p>Perhaps a system should be set up independent of school salaries where people can donate to teachers in honor or memory of someone. Where people get credit for upping the standard of a class, have a hakdasha, even could be where part is for a class fund to cover prizes mivtzahs etc, stuff teachers end up covering often anyway.</p>
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		By: Dis/agree		</title>
		<link>https://anash.org/pesach-bonuses-are-nice-but-theyre-still-demeaning/#comment-20685</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dis/agree]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Mar 2023 03:55:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Firstly sorry you feel that way I can’t go into it you are rite or wrong as these are your feelings that you penned out

Secondly. Many professionals absolutely need the help but there’s nobody to give it to them. Take a “successful” professional that’s Bringing home 195,000-245,000 a year and has 7 kids with one in seminary one in a zal out of town and just made a wedding. There’s usually no way they’re covering their expenses and when it comes pesach they surely can use it between all the food clothes and flying kids home for Yom tov 

Thirdly. Teachers stand out as the biggest Mesiras nefesh and ultimately our biggest gain as parents is that we know our teachers really care for chinuch and this is their passion because hey it’s definitely not for the money… but than again who’s getting bonuses chanuka Purim pesach and time off in the summer to go make extra money running day camps and bungalow colonies…?  It’s not the “successful” professionals 

All In all. Let’s not discount the structure of how teachers are and aren’t paid. Boruch hashem they all seem to be making it work 
Let’s also not shine too much light on the “successful” professionals because there’s no telling how real the struggle is and if I could  throw in the typical rebbe card. Im pretty sure the rebbe was aware of how teachers were being paid and how it was structured 

Thank you to all those arranging these beautiful bonuses and taking away hours and hours of time you could’ve been spending learning relaxing and giving your wife and kids the time they could’ve enjoyed with you keep it up it’s taking tremendous burdens off of our mechanchim]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Firstly sorry you feel that way I can’t go into it you are rite or wrong as these are your feelings that you penned out</p>
<p>Secondly. Many professionals absolutely need the help but there’s nobody to give it to them. Take a “successful” professional that’s Bringing home 195,000-245,000 a year and has 7 kids with one in seminary one in a zal out of town and just made a wedding. There’s usually no way they’re covering their expenses and when it comes pesach they surely can use it between all the food clothes and flying kids home for Yom tov </p>
<p>Thirdly. Teachers stand out as the biggest Mesiras nefesh and ultimately our biggest gain as parents is that we know our teachers really care for chinuch and this is their passion because hey it’s definitely not for the money… but than again who’s getting bonuses chanuka Purim pesach and time off in the summer to go make extra money running day camps and bungalow colonies…?  It’s not the “successful” professionals </p>
<p>All In all. Let’s not discount the structure of how teachers are and aren’t paid. Boruch hashem they all seem to be making it work<br />
Let’s also not shine too much light on the “successful” professionals because there’s no telling how real the struggle is and if I could  throw in the typical rebbe card. Im pretty sure the rebbe was aware of how teachers were being paid and how it was structured </p>
<p>Thank you to all those arranging these beautiful bonuses and taking away hours and hours of time you could’ve been spending learning relaxing and giving your wife and kids the time they could’ve enjoyed with you keep it up it’s taking tremendous burdens off of our mechanchim</p>
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		By: Teacher		</title>
		<link>https://anash.org/pesach-bonuses-are-nice-but-theyre-still-demeaning/#comment-20684</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Teacher]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Mar 2023 02:58:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[As a teacher, I want to say that this is kafui tov. People are going out of their way to give a bonus and this is how you say thank you? Budgets are stretched thin as it is. Of course I believe that more recognition of teachers is in place, but this is not the way to go about it. Sorry.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a teacher, I want to say that this is kafui tov. People are going out of their way to give a bonus and this is how you say thank you? Budgets are stretched thin as it is. Of course I believe that more recognition of teachers is in place, but this is not the way to go about it. Sorry.</p>
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		By: Many others need it		</title>
		<link>https://anash.org/pesach-bonuses-are-nice-but-theyre-still-demeaning/#comment-20683</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Many others need it]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Mar 2023 02:44:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Many professionals can really use an extra paycheck for pesach. As someone who deals with raising money for maos chittim, many many people who have real jobs don&#039;t have enough.

It&#039;s nice to see that there is a real effort to make sure all milamdim are taken care of.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Many professionals can really use an extra paycheck for pesach. As someone who deals with raising money for maos chittim, many many people who have real jobs don&#8217;t have enough.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s nice to see that there is a real effort to make sure all milamdim are taken care of.</p>
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		By: By a current teacher		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[By a current teacher]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Mar 2023 02:19:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://anash.org/pesach-bonuses-are-nice-but-theyre-still-demeaning/#comment-20678&quot;&gt;Great point but&lt;/a&gt;.

I’m very sorry, but I have to disagree. Schools would love to pay their teachers more. They are bending over backwards to raise the funds needed. If only they would have the money to raise the salaries of their teachers. The most they can do is give an additional bonus for yom tov. These bonuses are understood and very much appreciated. 

One person suggested that instead of all the money going to siyumei sifrei torah, these hundreds of thousands of dollars can go to chinuch… just one idea of many. 

Hashem to give all the yeshivas and chadarim a ton of money and harchava that they can promote chinuch to the best of their ability]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://anash.org/pesach-bonuses-are-nice-but-theyre-still-demeaning/#comment-20678">Great point but</a>.</p>
<p>I’m very sorry, but I have to disagree. Schools would love to pay their teachers more. They are bending over backwards to raise the funds needed. If only they would have the money to raise the salaries of their teachers. The most they can do is give an additional bonus for yom tov. These bonuses are understood and very much appreciated. </p>
<p>One person suggested that instead of all the money going to siyumei sifrei torah, these hundreds of thousands of dollars can go to chinuch… just one idea of many. </p>
<p>Hashem to give all the yeshivas and chadarim a ton of money and harchava that they can promote chinuch to the best of their ability</p>
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		By: Divrei chochomim binachas..		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Divrei chochomim binachas..]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Mar 2023 02:15:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[From history, putting people in a negative light no matter how subtly usually has negative results.
There is definitely validity to claiming teachers should be paid more, but I do think schools are starting to get the point. It is possible current regular paychecks are a bit more respectful than a few years ago.
Maybe “past teacher” can write an article to inspire those who appreciate their children’s educators and “have the means” to turn their appreciation into helping them financially?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From history, putting people in a negative light no matter how subtly usually has negative results.<br />
There is definitely validity to claiming teachers should be paid more, but I do think schools are starting to get the point. It is possible current regular paychecks are a bit more respectful than a few years ago.<br />
Maybe “past teacher” can write an article to inspire those who appreciate their children’s educators and “have the means” to turn their appreciation into helping them financially?</p>
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		By: Great point but		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Great point but]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Mar 2023 22:54:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The title is misleading, and can be very hurtful, both to teachers and to administrators who go out of their way to make these life-saving bonuses happen.
It can also send a very wrong message to parents and/or donors who are approached about these bonuses.
You have an obviously valid point about the salaries, but don&#039;t take it out on the bonuses...
By a current teacher]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The title is misleading, and can be very hurtful, both to teachers and to administrators who go out of their way to make these life-saving bonuses happen.<br />
It can also send a very wrong message to parents and/or donors who are approached about these bonuses.<br />
You have an obviously valid point about the salaries, but don&#8217;t take it out on the bonuses&#8230;<br />
By a current teacher</p>
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