Furthermore, I don’t believe they are learning to get a certificate, they are getting a certificate so to certify that when they teach chassidus they are not they are not giving their own boich svores.

Your comment is a display of why a accreditation is irrelevant with regard to Chassidus. Only someone far removed from traditional mashpia mekabel transmission could entertain an idea of certifying mashpi’im. The fact that nobody within the fold would take you seriously, is itself the answer to your concern for frauds posing as mashpi’im. The system is self governing.

A mashpia that needs a degree is worthless (like the Frierdiker Rebbe said about the measured afikoman…).

Yeshus and self anything causes one to be self centered (any kindness will be lgarmei). Genuine bittul to Hashem will cause one to devote themselves to others.

Should the Yeshivos stop giving certificate for borchim that have master Tanya by heart, for those who succeed in Mivtzah Torah ? I think no one never argued about that

you can apply the same here I think

Since when is ein od milvado the culmination of what we were taught. What happend to the endgoal of Ahavas Yisroel? Kindness grows from self confidence. At least according to our expert educators.

Chasidus, unlike Dayanus, is not a free for all peoples to wade into and then offer services. Soon Women of the Wall too will want to service our yeshivas, for “chasidus is for everyone”. Even culture-centric texts such as Hayom Yom would be meant to be translated for all. But that doesnt work.

It may be true that no board can claim to be the sole heir and only authentic martial art, school of thaught, or healing system. But without such acredidation and recognition we would be left with a society of con artists selling invisible energies, reform chasidus and dangerous guidance. We should be thankfull for authoritative oversight entities such as, in the dizzying world of health care, the FDA. And the Board of Education.

Having competing boards for oversight and authorization keeps out our fake saviours from misleading the public.

In previous generations the yungeleit were not admitted to hear/learn Chassidus before having basic mastery of Shaar HaYichud. While for the sake of hafatzas hamaayanos, this is no longer required in our generation (this is all mentioned in Likkutei Diburrim pg 709), there needs be a distinction between what a yochid should do to save himself and a communal standard for lechatchila. In other words, certainly l’chatchila, teachers and mashpiim of Chassidus should be held to a standard.

The Rebbe did not suggest making a program for being mekanter.

There needs to be a distinction what a yochid should do bedieved to save himself and a communal standard for lechatchila.

In fact- the Rebbe gave permission/mandate to learn Chassidus, even if it’s לקנטר..
ד״ה לא יכנף תש״כ

in the first case, the person is learning real Chassidus, and is only getting yeshus as an inevitable byproduct. In the second case, his Chassidus is founded on yeshus, and therefore not revealed Elokus.

Of course, mitoch shelo lishma ba lishma and hamaor sheba machziro lemutav (like the story Reb Yoel would tell about Reb Meir Blezinsky), but it would seem inappropriate to set up and laud such a practice.

Since when did the recipiants to a certificate denounce her or his pnimius, the “pintele yid”. It seems someone has made that up. Unless he has privileged access to published literature which posits ootherwise. I however have not seen evidence of such claim.

Furthermore, to state that the Greeks had a problem not with Jewish culture but with “pnimius”. Actually, per a rebbe, the Greek’s problem was with Ahavas Yisroel. They wanted nearly all of jewish lifestyle but without this primitive impediment of Jews being schooled to stick up for their own.

So when a rebbe sees a yid presented with honors, instead of showing support he unleashes a bereatal which stems from his personal battle-hardened bias. Look around. Feel the coffee. Is that Jewish world-view in fact real??? Consider: there are precious and most eidel tmimim who are deserving of honor. Who cares about velt and the rest of the world of hevel vsheker. A tomim finished a mamer!

People knowing they have a structure and a goal will help incentivize more learning.

More importantly others will see it and will desire it too. Unfortunately Penimiyus is not something that can be advertised.

As the writer of the article, I’m a big fan of Kollel L’lomdei Dach for the reason you write. Learning Chassidus in a structured fashion is fantastic. But it’s the incentivising issue that the turned me off. Receiving recognition through a semicha certificate seems contrary the point Chassidus is trying to inculcate.

Is the certificate for internalizing the ideas, or perhaps as an incentive to show that you’ve mastered the (very) complex seifer?

This is the point of the entire article, that Chassidus is not about mastering seforim, however complex!

This should be lauded, not criticized.

Learning should be lauded, but handing out certificates for learning Chassidus, as the states, the very opposite of the endeavor!

You could see everything in a positive light or the opposite.

The article addressed this point: on occasion the opportunity presents itself to bring out a point, it would be a shame to squander the potential lesson.

How do you think the Rebbe looks at this? Can you imagine that the Rebbe looked at Chassidus as a discipline that needs to be mastered?

My sense is that it would be quite different than your sanctimonious post.

This last sentence sounds like it comes from someone who feels morally superior to the writer. More than slightly hypocritical and ironic!

I wish I had alot of time elleborbate. In a nut shell when I saw that article I started dancing. I thought that was a great step in the right direction.

Everyone I speak too is thirsty for structured learning. Almost everyone I speak too sees Chassidus Chabad as an endless sea with no end.

The more we can organize, give structure give goals, incentivise growth and learning the better.

We need to do much more to make Chassidus as exciting as all the other glamor out there is sports, media, academia להבדיל.

We are trying a bit at Kollel L’lomdei Dach.
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Betzalel Bassman

This should be lauded, not criticized. You could see everything in a positive light or the opposite. How do you think the Rebbe looks at this? My sense is that it would be quite different than your sanctimonious post.