Comments on: Is It 200 Years Since the Mitteler Rebbe’s Geulah?

By: hayom yom yud kislev

hayom yom yud kislev — Wed, 03 Dec 2025 15:56:51 +0000

בחוהמ”ס נודע אשר הלשינו את אדמו”ר האמצעי. ביום א’ פרשת נח כח תשרי נסע בלוית פקידים מליובאוויטש, בצהרים בא לדאבראמיסל, אמר שם דא”ח מים רבים גו’, יום ב’ נסע משם עד ליאזנא, אמר שם דא”ח רשפי’ רשפי גו’, יום ג’ משם לוויטעפסק

unless the documents mean that on chol hamoed the halshana was accepted, but thats not what the article implies

By: Just wondering

Just wondering — Wed, 03 Dec 2025 03:28:25 +0000

In reply to still. How do we know that they are definitely wrong about the chol hamoed sukkos part?

By: still

still — Tue, 02 Dec 2025 02:01:57 +0000

In reply to Not quite the same. theyre definitely wrong about the chol hamoed sukkos part, why should we trust the rest of the info?

By: Mendel

Mendel — Mon, 01 Dec 2025 23:51:40 +0000

In reply to Not quite the same. who cares about vague discoveries, even if u found the clearest of evidence, it would make nno diffrence because the Rebbe said the Menorah was straight. Over here, there is room (perhaps) to rely on the documents only because the Rebbe himself leaves room for doubt on multiple occasions and even instructed Berel Levine to look into it.

By: Not quite the same

Not quite the same — Mon, 01 Dec 2025 19:36:05 +0000

In reply to not so sure. There is nothing at all conclusive about the menorah. It's just vague discoveries. These are the original documents of the Mitteler Rebbe's arrest and release. In addition, the Rebbe repeatedly left room for both years. Given the final discovery, we now understand why, since they are both true (even if not exactly how we originally thought).

By: not so sure

not so sure — Mon, 01 Dec 2025 19:00:20 +0000

In reply to This was before the arrest file was discovered.

this sounds very similar to the menorah discussion, where some people will say that “now that archeology shows round means it was round”… the word of our Rabbeim trumps any russian record/archive

the file says 11 kislev 5587, so it doesnt exactly accord with our mesora which is very clear about it being yud kislev.

By: This was before the arrest file was discovered

This was before the arrest file was discovered — Mon, 01 Dec 2025 16:55:27 +0000

Now we know from the documents the source of the confusion, that there was a miracle both years.

By: מאמר מוגה

מאמר מוגה — Mon, 01 Dec 2025 15:21:10 +0000

פדה בשלום תשמ”ו מלוקט ח”ה קונטרס י כסלו תנש”א
In the maamar in says 5587
Footnote says tradition in family if Rabbeim
Footnote in Bad Kodesh says this is the accepted opinion

By: Never celebrated properly

Never celebrated properly — Mon, 01 Dec 2025 00:59:09 +0000

I always remember hearing that it was never celebrated properly because on the first anniversary was after 9 kislev already.

Unlike 19 kislev we saw how the Alter Rebbe celebrated it.

By: Mendel

Mendel — Mon, 01 Dec 2025 00:37:46 +0000

I did not do the calculation, but i was told that the kvius of the year 5586 and 5587 were both the same (like this year), so the fact that the Rebbe notes the kvius in the sicha of 5752 is not necessarily proof.

By: Mendel

Mendel — Mon, 01 Dec 2025 00:35:10 +0000

It seems quite clear that the Rebbe takes the position that it was in 5587 – as the Rebbe writes clearly in Hayom Yom – however the Rebbe also points out that in Beis Rebbi it says 5586. In the picture attached to this article from Likkutei Sichos vol. 25, you see this as well.