It may be that LT should and are meant to be refs…. fact is they’re not and the few that are doesn’t change the fact that that’s not really part of the job…
As you said the best way is when all staff work together there’s times when it really becomes messy cuz there wasn’t coordination and farbrengen every week to touch base why bichlal being staff…

Bedside cleanup Tefilos lineup וכו’…..It may be easier as the kids usually have a closer and better relationship with councelors as the kids see what they’re doing for them (Meals health….) so it is easier but councelors also need to get the campers sitting quite and even more then LT… LT have those few times just much harder as a lot of kids want to move around not spend time on a bench if they’re not leaning….

Learning teachers work harder. Counselors don’t need to get kids sitting down even when there is no incentive for them. They don’t need to get them quiet the same way learning teachers do.

Witnessing the incredible organization of gashmiyus and ruchniyus for the bochrim this past Shabbos by the Ohel was something very special.

To see how all the details were so thought through.

For all those who like to talk a lot…. “it’s a disaster that this happened, that happened”
“It’s ridiculous that there isn’t
….. It’s crazy that there isn’t…..”
to see a few bochrim actually roll up their sleeves and take responsibility and do – very very special!

Yasher koach
@⁨Meir Deren⁩ @⁨Schneur Deren⁩ @⁨Mendel Goldman FL⁩ and the rest involved.

Yasher koach Tzvi Altein for taking the ultimate lead and responsibility.

Mechayil el choyil until very soon in Yerushalayim habenuyah

Very true I would suggest even for so called non-Detroiters to go to Detroit as a staff members I personally am with the Detroiters and it’s a great summer!

there is also a waiting list for counselors and every staff member in camp

1) if a counselor comes late or even completely doesn’t show up to Revilee, davenings and meals etc. (which comprise the big part of their job and responsibility) nothing disastrous will happen and i could say from experience that almost every counselor takes advantage of this (even though the kids do lose out a lot from this)
2) a counselor’s job includes a lot of self-expression and just having fun with the kids which is enjoyable and you have the geshmak of being liked by the kids
on the other hand LTs don’t have either of these (as much) which makes their job all the more difficult (as was brought by some of the earlier comments) and not ego-boosting
a dedicated counselor really is hard-working and without a lot of time to himself but dedicated LTs end up spending a lot of time out of learning class as well with the kids

We’re YOU ever a learning teacher? Contrary to popular belief a learning teachers job is not only 3 hours a day that’s just class your actually devoting your entire summer to be in camp and with the kids and you have usually other responsibilities that you are taking care of in addition to being refs for sports and you’re around the clock helping the kids be it emotionally be it spiritually they turn to you and ask for help and you go over to them and talk to them farbreng with them (help them get out of trauma from a ignorant counsler occasionally which do things some times the kids should never see) then there’s shabbos with the kids by meals by the whole afternoon and in general helping the kids
This is besides the fact that counselors aren’t actually 24 hours you have a co so that makes it in half and you have the time you sleep and hang out in the staff lounge then you have learning class so facts are you don’t do that much more
But the ikur is that people shouldn’t be fighting and your both here on the same mission with the same mishaleach so stop the controversy and farbreng together help each other out and realize your both here to bring moshiach and do the Rebbes ratzon!

Ps if camp was about making money you could’ve made much more elsewhere so clearly your here for the kavanah so enjoy and help each other enjoy

Where you ever a Learning teacher? Do you know how hard it is, what they go through? Both counselors and LT have a hard and important job, the councelors its tirering but spread out throughout the day/ night on the other hand the LT it’s a lot more hard but put into 3 hours… and a counselor usually feels like they have a kesher which LT don’t have….

Thank you for sharing!

Otherwise, they only work 3 hours a day, then relax the rest of the day.

Those who do spend all day working are truly great and deserve great appreciation.

T.T.T.O The Search JEP

Sitting by the table, under the trees
Bothered by spiders, mosquitoes and bees
The learning teacher standing there, trying to teach
Searching for a way, his children to reach

I know how you want to learn, to do what is right
But you find it so difficult to put up the fight
So many distractions are constantly there
So hard to overcome, it’s really not fair

But the things that come difficult, are so much more dear
And to help you out in this fight, is why we are here
Working together, hand in hand
True soldiers, awaiting the Rebbe’s command

If only I knew, how to come across to you
How much we would accomplish, how much we could do
I spend so much time with you on my mind
Your path to Hatzlachah I’m trying to find

If you’d only realize, we’re not working on opposite ends
Your counselors and your learning teachers are your best friends
Our summers we’re devoting, to help you excel
I only beg of you, to help us as well

Together, we both can reach the greatest heights
Together, we can’t be stopped by the most difficult fights
And we can be sure, that in a very short while
Together, we will succeed to make the Rebbe smile

This comment had the vibe of chelm.
Is our sense of respect so limited??
Do we really need an unusual circumstance to describe the value of a counselor over a learning teacher?
BOTH positions deserve our respect.

Every bochur (and the girls in the girls camps) who invests their time and energy towards giving our kids a healthy summer deserves our undiluted respect and limitless appreciation!

They could be doing so many other things, but instead they’re shvitizng for our kids. For the Rebbe’s kids.

We can never thank them enough. The counselors for their part, the learning teachers for theirs, and every other person who is involved.

Thank you, learning teacher for everything you do! You wrote this article because you felt undervalued, but the truth is that most parents value your investment more than words could ever say. Be proud!

Teaching kids in camp is important, but it is not heroic. (Neither is being a counselor, or quite frankly any staff member in a typical cgi camp).

Do learning teachers deserve recognition? Absolutely! Do they work as hard as counselors? Nope.